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Some stories section

I cut this section but put it here for reference. It may have useful material, but there is no call for in MOS:LAYOUT:

Old China

陳久金 (Chen Jiujin); 張敬國 (Zhang Jingguo) (1989). "含山出土玉片圖形試考 (Hanshan chutu yupian taxing shikao)" [A preliminary analysis of the iconography in the jade fragments from the excavation site in Hanshan]. 文物 (Wenwu) [Cultural Relics, Beijing]. 4: 14–17.

殷涤非 (Yin Difei) (May 1978). "西汉汝阴侯墓出土的占盘和天文仪器 (Xi-Han Ruyinhou mu chutu de zhanpan he tianwen yiqi)" [The divination boards and astronomical instrument from the tomb of the Marquis of Ruyin of the Western Han]. 考古 (Kaogu) [Archaeology, Beijing]. 12: 338–343.

嚴敦傑 (Yan Dunjie) (May 1978). "關於西漢初期的式盤和占盤(Guanyu Xi-Han chuqi de shipan he zhanpan)" [On the cosmic boards and divination boards from the early Western Han period]. 考古 (Kaogu) [Archaeology, Beijing]. 12: 334–337.

+684 "武则天挖坟焚尸真相：迷信风水镇压反臣" [The truth about Wu Zetian digging graves and burning corpses]. 星岛环球网, 文史 [Sing Tao Global Network, Culture and History]. Archived from the original on 2009-12-23. Retrieved 2013-12-12.

1280 "丧心病狂中国历史上六宗罕见的辱尸事" [Six rare humiliation incidents in Chinese history]. Archived from the original on 2007-08-17. Retrieved 2013-12-12. rem: 考古(Kaogu)=Archaeology

1622 Hong Feng (2013-12-12). "房山金陵探寻" [Exploring Fangshan Jinling (Beijing’s earliest and largest imperial tomb)]. Archived from the original on 2014-12-05. {{cite web}}: |archive-date= / |archive-url= timestamp mismatch; 2013-12-12 suggested (help)

1627 倪方六(Ni Fangliu ) (October 2009). 中国人盗墓史（挖出正史隐藏的盗墓狂人） [The history of Chinese tomb robbers]. 上海锦绣文章出版社 (Shanghai Jinxiu Articles Publishing House). ISBN 9877545203196. {{cite book}}: Check |isbn= value: invalid prefix (help). The "Ming Sizong robbed Li Zicheng's ancestral grave" section can be read at 凤凰网读书频道. ifeng.com. Archived from the original on 2016-02-03. Retrieved 2013-12-12. the one alive is the 23-feb-2010 capture

1930 "蒋介石挖毛泽东祖坟的玄机" [The mystery of Chiang Kai-shek digging Mao Zedong's ancestor's grave]. 中华命理风水论坛 [Chinese Numerology and Fengshui Forum]. 2010-06-13. Archived from the original on 2010-06-20. #33

Red China

2001 "風水迷信"困擾中國當局" [Feng Shui Superstitions Troubles Chinese Authorities]. BBC News. 9 March 2001. Retrieved 2012-05-14.

2006 Jiang Xun (11 April 2006). "透視：從"巫毒娃娃"到風水迷信" [Focus on China: From Voodoo Dolls to Feng Shui Superstitions] (in Chinese). BBC Chinese service. Retrieved 2012-05-14.

2006 Tao, Shilong. "Tao Shilong, 3 April 2006, The Crooked Evil of 'Feng Shui' Is Corrupting The Minds of Chinese People". Archived from the original on 2008-02-15. Retrieved 2007-09-25.

2010 Moore, Malcolm (2010-12-16). "Hong Kong government spends millions on feng shui". The Daily Telegraph. London.

2013 Levin, Dan (10 May 2013). "China Officials Seek Career Shortcut With Feng Shui". The New York Times.

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2005 Holson, Laura M. (25 April 2005). "The Feng Shui Kingdom". The New York Times.. Centered on Disney

“Pseudoscience”

I am not an adherent of feng shui, but I really have an issue with the repeated allegations that it is “pseudoscience.” In order to maintain proper neutrality and respect for the subject, these mentions should be minimized (especially given that I don’t see a specific allegation that would warrant the label), and it certainly doesn’t belong in the introductory/definition section. Spiritual practices are intrinsically separate from science, and thus they should not be put in a false dichotomy with science. 2600:6C65:623F:B019:8831:D8CE:F73B:FDC9 (talk) 03:15, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. And, putting it a different way, the meaning of pseudoscience includes a claim to be scientific. Feng shui isn't. North8000 (talk) 16:51, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is Christianity pseudoscience? They also claim well being. How scientific is that. Will you find "pseudoscience" in the Christianity article? Is the only difference that you consult a "Pappe", instead of a fortune teller? --Alien4 (talk) 17:09, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A paper I am reading on right now seems to hold that Feng Shui has esoteric and exoteric functions. In other words, Feng Shui has had practical functions as a way to resolve conflict, assuage jealousy/envy, and organize rural development while also having a more superstitious and "pseudoscientific" function that developed in order to explain failures in land development and predictions in personal fortune. I think it would be a good idea to consider splitting up definitions of feng shui in this article in order to explain the folk religious aspects from the more "scientific" aspects of Feng Shui. That way we can get a more unbiased view of the practice. --RedHuron (talk) 01:08, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Korean version of Feng Shui

pungsu 풍수 風水

Can someone do an article on it?

~~ED~~ 2607:FEA8:4A2:4100:21D2:54F6:19BC:D682 (talk) 11:40, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: HIEA 140 REMOTE China since 1978

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 3 April 2023 and 10 June 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Tgparstt, RedHuron (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Tgparstt (talk) 03:56, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I am working on a wikipedia project for my class. I want to focus on Feng Shui and its ecological applications. I have in my possession an interesting journal on Chinese Cultural Ecology called "Mountains and Water: Essays on the Cultural Ecology of South Coastal China" by Eugene and Marja Anderson. I hope to make some excellent contributions to this page. Please feel free to give me some constructive criticism. --RedHuron (talk) 00:39, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have just posted my first major edits from my sandbox. Please feel free to critique my work and inform me of possible fixes I can implement to improve the page. This is still an ongoing project and I hope to get some positive feedback to improve for the second part of this assignment. I have tried to keep my edits conservative and keep much of the original material. --RedHuron (talk) 10:06, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've reverted the changes to the lede as having what appear to be gross POV problems. I've requested help at Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard#Feng_shui.

Given the complexity of the topic, and it falling under Wikipedia:Contentious topics, I don't think this is suitable for student projects. --Hipal (talk) 20:12, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Brianda (Wiki Ed), this is a surprisingly difficult subject, partly because it means different things at different times and places (e.g.,: Feng shui means don't build your house in either a flood plain or a windy mountain top; feng shui means certain objects and colors are lucky; feng shui means there is magical energy flowing through the world; feng shui means that keeping broken things in your house will make you poor; feng shui means your home should face the warm and sunny south or east instead of the cold and wet north or west). Depending on which time/place, you can make a case for it being totally scientific (modern science agrees that it's a bad idea to build homes in a flood plain!), or superstitious, or silly, or self-contradictory, or pseudoscientific. Then we end up with editors fighting because their belief seems – to them – to be the whole truth about feng shui. I don't think that is a fair burden for a student to be given. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:02, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WhatamIdoing Thanks for flagging this to me. I'll make note of the article topic in the event another student decides to work on this article.

@Hipal This editor was last active in June of 2023, and I don't expect them to be responsive or active based on their user contributions. Brianda (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:57, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Sorry. While I have moved on from this assignment (and course), I did love the passion I put into my research. I'd be more than happy to help refine my research and add nuance to the topic that is appropriate for an article such as this. I still am an active student so expect delays in my response time, but I am more than willing to periodically check this topic/discussion. RedHuron (talk) 17:05, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@RedHuron, I'm glad to see that you're still around. I find that it's easier to clean up the main body of the article than to improve the lead itself. The first few paragraphs draw a lot more attention/arguing than the rest.

Another under-appreciated action is to remove things that are outdated or wrong from the body of the article, or to condense long, wordy paragraphs into fewer words. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:08, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]