Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ballarat Cricket Association
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The result of the debate was keep. —Korath (Talk) 00:22, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
Local sports organizations are not sufficiently notable for wikipedia entries, delete--nixie 03:52, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, upon reflection, local sports organizations are important enough for inclusion and necessary to coverage of amateur and children's sport in their area. Yes, I know there are a lot of them. Could be merged with Local sports in Ballarat if such an article appeared. Kappa 04:58, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, not notable. Megan1967 06:59, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. Local sporting organizations are notable. Particularly so ones in major towns like this. --Centauri 07:07, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, nn cricketcruft. ComCat 08:46, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, local organizations are not inherrently notable, although I might be willing to change my vote if someone could show that they were either sufficiently large or operated outside of the Ballarat area. DaveTheRed 08:53, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. Local sporting organizations are notable. Particularly so ones in major towns like this. Add to that the fact that Ballarat is right at the heart of one of the world's major cricketing centres. The BCA is big enough to have hosted international matches (Ballarat played against the touring England team in 1933 - possibly the most infamous cricket tour of all time). Ballarat has hosted full international matches as recently as the 1990s. We're not talking just some small village sports team here... Grutness|hello?
10:08, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- There have been many country towns that have hosted international touring matches, however the overseas sides that play these matches are usually not the first XI and the matches are not regarded as Test standard (England sides that play these matches are often always called MCC rather than England to denote that fact). Ballarat has never hosted a Test match. I'm looking at a map of Victoria and I dont understand your comment that Ballarat is "at the heart of one of the world's major cricketing centres" - if it was Ballarat it would standing in the middle of the MCG or SCG and that is physically impossible. Megan1967 10:25, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Actually, England touring teams are now denoted England XI, to note the fact that it isn't a Test. Smoddy (tgec) 19:47, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- I never said it was a test - I said a full international match. England vs Sri Lanka, ODI, March 9, 1992, Ballarat CA Ground, Ballarat. It was one of the matches at the 1992 World Cup. At least four full international players have started their careers at Ballarat, too. Grutness|hello? 06:05, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- I never said it was a test - I said a full international match. England vs Sri Lanka, ODI, March 9, 1992, Ballarat CA Ground, Ballarat. It was one of the matches at the 1992 World Cup. At least four full international players have started their careers at Ballarat, too. Grutness|hello?
- Actually, England touring teams are now denoted England XI, to note the fact that it isn't a Test. Smoddy (tgec) 19:47, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- There have been many country towns that have hosted international touring matches, however the overseas sides that play these matches are usually not the first XI and the matches are not regarded as Test standard (England sides that play these matches are often always called MCC rather than England to denote that fact). Ballarat has never hosted a Test match. I'm looking at a map of Victoria and I dont understand your comment that Ballarat is "at the heart of one of the world's major cricketing centres" - if it was Ballarat it would standing in the middle of the MCG or SCG and that is physically impossible. Megan1967 10:25, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, concur with Megan. Also, nearly every minor village has at least one sport organization. That doesn't make them notable. Radiant! 11:56, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)
- Since every minor village has an article, what are we going to say about them if we can't talk about their sport organizations? Kappa 12:21, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Since there isn't anything interesting to say about the average sport organization, a brief mention in the article on the village itself would suffice. Think of how different your local hockey club might be from my local hockey club - chances are it isn't. Radiant! 13:05, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)
- I think the chances are that it is. Different date of foundation, different number of members, different frequency of play, different level of success, different age ranges, different male/female ratio, different facilities, different local rivals, different amount of training, different involvement with other local institutions... Kappa 18:21, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- The question is, why does every minor village have to have an article? Unless there is some historical notability for the village, do we need an article for every one of them? Megan1967 04:57, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Ballarat is not a minor village. It is the second-largest city in the state of Victoria - a "village" of 90,000 people. And cricket is the major sport of the area.The equivalent in the UK, for instance, would be a sports club of the stature of, say, Leicester City football club. In the US, the equivalent might be whatever the basketball team in a city like Reno or Provo might be. Grutness|hello?
- Third largest, unless Geelong just fell into Corio Bay. ;) Ambi 06:08, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- I think the chances are that it is. Different date of foundation, different number of members, different frequency of play, different level of success, different age ranges, different male/female ratio, different facilities, different local rivals, different amount of training, different involvement with other local institutions... Kappa 18:21, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Since there isn't anything interesting to say about the average sport organization, a brief mention in the article on the village itself would suffice. Think of how different your local hockey club might be from my local hockey club - chances are it isn't. Radiant! 13:05, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)
- Since every minor village has an article, what are we going to say about them if we can't talk about their sport organizations? Kappa 12:21, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Keep - agree with reasons given above, jguk 12:41, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Keep Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 16:15, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)
Could this not be merged with the Ballarat page?Meelar (talk) 16:48, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)- Keep, merging doesn't seem suitable or appropriate. —RaD Man (talk) 02:16, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. The Ballarat Cricket Association has hosted international cricket matches since Plum Warner took a team there in 1902-03. The England team went there at the height of Bodyline and there was controversy about remarks made during the luncheon. I have added this to the article and will add stuff about the one day international. Capitalistroadster 09:12, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Now added more info about the world cup match and Ballarat hosting a match in the first tour by an English team to Australia in 1862 as well as the 1992 match. Capitalistroadster 09:32, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Marginal keep. Not entirely certain on this one. Alphax τεχ 09:25, Mar 17, 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. Local sports organization seem to be on the same level as secondary schools: not notable merely through their existence. Regional sports organizations make the cut in my mind, but not local kids' leagues. Shimmin 22:09, Mar 17, 2005 (UTC)
- I've you'd taken the trouble to read as far as the end of the first sentence you would realise it is not just a children's league. Wincoote 13:59, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Are you trying to destroy VFD ?!?!?!?!!!!!!!one! - David Gerard 23:02, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- I've you'd taken the trouble to read as far as the end of the first sentence you would realise it is not just a children's league. Wincoote 13:59, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, or merge with Ballarat. For local ones I would say delete, but this one serves the whole of Greater Ballarat, about 80,000 people. This is more a regional organisation. --bainer 05:37, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, looks notable in its realm, after about a century and a half. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:42, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep Snobbish anti-sport nomination, but it is established that Wikipedia covers sport in detail, not just the likes of physics and philisophy so all this sort of nomination does is create ill feeling and waste many users' time which might otherwise have been used to improve articles. Wincoote 13:57, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- I despise cricket. Keep - David Gerard 23:02, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Cricket hurts my brain. But even I have to admit this lot is notable. Keep. Edeans 02:30, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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