Talk:Sidecar (cocktail)

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The recipe for the Sidecar cocktail currently listed is a more common form encountered today. However, it would be nice to have the original recipe and some background to it.

3/10 Cointreau 6/10 Remmy Martin Cognac 1/10 Lemon Juice

Shake well with ice and serve. No garnish is necessary.

This is the original recipe, by Harry Mc Halone bartender at the Harry's bar of Paris. It is usually quite difficutl to truly pin-point the origination of a cocktail, as the ages tend to come up not only with half a million variations to the recipe, but variations of the origination. However, the Harry's Bar of Paris still exists to this day, and the interior has not changed since it was first started. Common mythology has it that Harry originally invented the cocktail for a particular captain riding a sidecar who wanted a drink to warm up to before dinner. However, no one is entirely sure if the captain was really the first one to taste the drink.

I believe this information is included now.

Philvarner 22:08, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Question about the "other" use of the term "sidecar": At the bottom of this page, there is a link to a picture of a cocktail "with a sidecar". In fact, the "sidecar" pictured is simply the excess from the drink in the martini glass, not a sidecar cocktail, as described in the article. I have heard people call such things sidecars before--the bartender pours the excess from any old cocktail shaker into a small glass--but I suspect this usage of the term results from these people assuming that that is what's meant by "sidecar". It makes sense, but I imagine the standard usage is to denote the specific brandy-based drink described above. Does anyone know if this new, apparently unrelated, usage of the word "sidecar" is gaining popularity? Or are the picture and the people who use the term "sidecar" in that way simply mistaken and uninformed?

Maybe that is another usage of sidecar, but that photo has been removed. It should not be in this article. If an article on that is warrented, it should be under another disambig like Sidecar(trash after making other drinks)

Philvarner 22:08, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Not trivia

Showing usage in popular culture constitutes context, not "trivia." Therefore, I am deleting the warning.75.57.70.202 (talk) 14:27, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Variations

As noted in the article there are some principal variants, including substitutes for cognac. From my own experience, the proportions can't be fixed independently of the actual ingredients. For example, if you use triple sec or curacao instead of Cointreau (all three are orange liqueurs), you can make a perfectly fine sidecar but the alternative orange liqueurs are less rich than Cointreau and you might scale up the proportion just a bit or be prepared for a slightly less sweet tasting drink. I also think the proportions as given in ratios such as 9:1 and 6:1 are difficult to implement, so as a practical matter here is what I do: 2 oz. brandy, 1 oz. orange liqueur, 1/2 oz. fresh lemon juice (1/2 a squeezed lemon). (If you prefer a somewhat drier version, increase the amt. of brandy. 3 oz./1 oz./.5 oz. makes fine (and large) sidecar.) In any case, I think the "golden ratio" of 2 to 1 to ½ works very well for a margarita as well (tequila, Cointreau, lime juice). Just my opinion.~Mack2~ (talk) 15:28, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

And for another variation on this tripartite cocktail, you can make a "Frisco". Use staight American (bourbon) whiskey or rye, substitute Benedictine for the Cointreau. Otherwise, stick with the 2/1/½ formula: bourbon, Benedictine, lemon juice.~Mack2~ (talk) 15:34, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree that a little less brandy is usually better, given common ingredients. I actually took a couple nights to do a "binary search" on the ingredient ratios, and I found that 1.25 brandy, 1 lemon juice, .75 triple sec is excellent, for my taste. Most bars make it the standard way from the article, and it's just too sweet and alcoholic, but the above ratio is delicious. I don't have a reference for it though.Dreadengineer (talk) 12:34, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

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