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Coaching Career

In the sidebar section with a rundown of coaching positions the years and jobs don't line up, halfway through a coaching spot description takes p two lines and it throws off the alignment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.22.169.50 (talk) 16:28, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's been fixed for proper alignment

216.211.255.98 (talk) 19:19, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Speculation not a place for an encyclopedia!

"Nick may be a distant cousin of the late Lou Saban, a former NFL player and coach, and one time President of the New York Yankees.[34]"

He MAY?? be? Either he is or he isn't. Until it is determined one way or the other this line has no place in this article, whether it has a source or not.

Saban going to WVU

Can I write here, that Saban is the next head football coach at WVU, and update this page? I read a blog post that said he was a potential candidate, and we can always speculate. I think he will be the head coach, so should I put it on here that he is?76.212.134.130 (talk) 23:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Uh, no. Not here. Wikipedia is not a blog, and articles are not for speculation. Wait until some information from a reliable source indicates that he is a candidate. Then you can add that. Blogs are not considered reliable sources. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 05:35, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You can, however, post that Nick Saban is a failure since leaving LSU. Since he left, LSU is 33-6. Saban has a 21-23 record over that same period. 76.123.216.96 (talk) 00:41, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

LSU's record is that because Nick Saban recruited most, if not all of those players. The real LSU record will show within the next several years. Nick Saban's record stems mostly from the NFL, which is in a league itself (pardon the pun) and he is in transition at UA. Over the next couple of years we will find see if Saban and LSU itself live up to the changes after. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.113.128.5 (talk) 19:13, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox image

Would anyone object to using this picture instead? I personally think it would be more suitable because it depicts him doing what he is notable for. -- LS Shoals (talk) 13:39, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Never saw this discussion. I would strongly suggest using this picture instead if we are going to use a photo of him coaching. (which I have no problem with) That is the photo that was used until the most recent one was added. The reason why we changed from the picture you have linked above in the first place (it was used back in 2007) was because he has sort of a goofy look in the photo. Seems like something a rival fan would post as a joke. Doesn't seem very fitting. Rtr10 (talk) 07:59, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oversigning malarkey...

This information is in no way relevant to Nick Saban's personal biography and it's coming from a biased perspective considering there are currently 10 other coaches who have oversigned more than Saban, yet nothing is mentioned in their profiles. Buzz off.

Obviously someone has an axe to grind and if that particular individual is an Aubarn fan, you may want to conduct a little research on your very own backwoods program first: since 2006, your program ranks third IN AMERICA on the top oversigners list. To whomever it is, until you learn display your hatred/envy in an unbiased manner by targeting ALL of the coaches responsible in the oversinging case, then your nonsense is not welcomed here.

Thank you for your cooperation!

--RollTide13 (talk) 21:40, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The section is well referenced and it doesn't violate WP:UNDUE since it consists of a mere two paragraphs in a much larger article. In fact, not including the scandal would violate the Neutral point of view policy especially since it has gotten national coverage. If you wish to add mitigating information to the section, please verify the facts you add by using citations to reliable sources. In the interest of full disclosure, I don't like spectator sports and I never even heard of this guy before his article popped up in the reviewer queue. —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 02:04, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't seem undue to me, and is properly sourced. Rolltide13, perhaps you'd like to make your argument based more on policy. Dayewalker (talk) 04:33, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

While some other programs have signed more players than Saban has while at Alabama, that does not necessarily constitute what is commonly understood as oversigning. For instance, some Big 12 schools sign many more junior college players than Alabama does each year, which leaves them with a higher natural turnover due to expired playing eligibility as these recruits enter with less than 4 years of eligibility. That is not oversigning. Oversigning is giving out more LOIs than a team has room for under the 85 scholarship limit, given the number of signings and number of scholarship players with remaining eligibility as of National Signing Day. -- TexasDawg (talk) 01:53, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If oversigning is such an issue then why doesn't it have a wiki page? Sounds a bit silly. BenWoodruff 21:26, 16 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BenWoodruff (talk • contribs)

If there is no definition of oversigning then why does this exist? I changed it to medical redshirts (the one article linked is on that issue) and it was reverted. I don't wish to get into a revert war but if you can't show oversigning (which would be a NCAA violation) then we should be hesitant to report that. 157.89.21.171 (talk) 15:39, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Vacated/Forfeited wins

Does anyone know of a standard for depicting vacated or forfeited games? I just altered the Mike Shula article to have them the same as the Nick Saban, Gene Stallings, and George Perles articles (original record with footnote describing vacation or forfeiting). Pete Caroll and Chuck Fairbanks have a different setup (asterisk with no footnote description) while Bob Tyler has another way (record changed with no footnoting).

Lurrch (talk) 03:03, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, check here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football/Vacated_victories#Winning_.26_losing_streaks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.54.118.163 (talk) 21:07, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2010 Season and Headlines

Alabama did not win the 2011 BCS NC (2010 season). Saban's stat was entered as 14-0 with the BCS NC, I've tried to fix as much as I could. After reviewing this article and the 2010 Alabama Season article, it appears that these flaws are much wider reaching than this particular article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.132.111.161 (talk) 16:27, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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In 2013 the attempted field goal was 57 yards not 56 2601:1:8A80:8A:18C4:4A07:D898:9553 (talk) 18:06, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The 2013 and 2012 sections are completely uncited. First, let's fix this. --Stfg (talk) 18:24, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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In coaching career, page shows Saban as Texas coach 2014 - present, which makes no sense as it is. Mack Brown is currently the head coach and Saban has not signed a contract.

Boomerblau (talk) 21:01, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Thanks. --Stfg (talk) 21:15, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Nick Saban 2013 season

Nick Saban, the coach of the Alabama Crimson Tide in the year of 2013 won a championship against the University of Notre Dame Fighting Irish by a score of 42-14. This gives him six national championships throughout his coaching tenure. Eric Davis http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/08/sports/ncaafootball/alabama-routs-notre-dame-in-title-game.html?_r=0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:603:4200:C1E0:C0D0:F160:3B27:7F49 (talk) 11:22, 14 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nick Saban 2013 season

Nick Saban, the coach of the Alabama Crimson Tide in the year of 2013 won a championship against the University of Notre Dame Fighting Irish by a score of 42-14. This gives him six national championships throughout his coaching tenure. Eric Davis http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/08/sports/ncaafootball/alabama-routs-notre-dame-in-title-game.html?_r=0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:603:4200:C1E0:C0D0:F160:3B27:7F49 (talk) 11:22, 14 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2017 Alabama Senate Write-In Campaign

Should we not update this article to reflect Alabama Republican Party efforts to drive a write-in campaign for Nick Saban^[1] to replace Roy Moore? Saban is not expected to win - merely to gather enough votes from 'persuadable Republicans' to shift the vote totals to Moore's challenger. "A spokesman for the group running the ad, the liberal super PAC American Bridge, said it was spending more than $10,000 on the spot, targeting 140,000 'persuadable' Republicans in the state."

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^ Liberal super PAC American Bridge runs maverick ad urges Alabama republicans to write-in Nick Saban as Republican candidate instead of Judge Roy Moore, in order to deflect enough Republican voters to toss election to Democrat

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Under "Accomplishments and honors" there should only be 9 SEC Western Division titles. Auburn Represented the Western Division in the SEC Championship in both 2013 and 2017. Mesmith2014 (talk) 21:07, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not done We do not remove Alabama's 2013 or 2017 SEC West Division title; Alabama and Auburn were co-champions NZFC^(talk) 21:14, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sharing divisional titles

There is no sharing of divisional titles. You either win it or you loose it. All teams play one another and if two teams are tied in wins and losses, head to head competition determines the divisional winner. Only one team goes to the SEC Championship game in Atlanta. There are a couple of places in the article where it says bama shared the Divisional title. They did not, though they traditionally like to claim titles they did not win. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C9:8000:559C:1116:D4D:A4B3:B655 (talk) 22:17, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This argument has already been discussed on the List of Southeastern Conference champions page. The SEC recognises teams as Co-Champions and the winner of the tie-breaker is the division's representative to the SEC Championship game. NZFC^(talk) 22:22, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Greatest ever claim, "many" needs better sources

Probably not the best day to bring this up, but the claim in the lead needs better sourcing to keep the "many". "For the Win" and the article's writer are not exactly great sports journalism. And the ESPN article has no byline and is mostly infographics. Nowhere does it say Saban is the greatest, it only asks the question. So who are these "many"? I'm sure there are better sources out there, I'm fine with the claim itself, but only if there are better sources to back it up. - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 05:26, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Surely there are as many sources claiming Knute Rockne or Bear Bryant are the greatest, to say nothing of Camp, Warner, Stagg, or Heisman. I considered moving the claim and the Alabama Sports Hall of Fame to a "legacy" section which would include the coaching tree, rather than the lead, but I could not find enough to move there. The feature in The Blind Side and Forbes claiming he was powerful is all I could think to move along with it. Cake (talk) 18:26, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine with removing it altogether, but if there are reputable people saying it, then cite them and say "one of the greatest" or something not to offend old timers. If so, it should stay in the lead. Let's see if anyone updates the source in the next week. If not, give it the axe. FYI, I think Saban is better than all those you mentioned, but I'm not a RS. - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 02:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Under Championships, Change SEC Western Division from 2012-2017 to 2012-2016. Alabama didn't win the Western Division in 2017, Auburn did. Zachhibberd (talk) 23:19, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not done Read above, they are co-champions and it is how the SEC does it. NZFC^(talk) 23:37, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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97.88.132.202 (talk) 04:53, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nick Saban lost the 2019 College Football Playoff National Championship Game.

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 05:03, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Joe Manchin was not Nick Saban's high school teammate. Nick Saban went to Monongah while Manchin went to Farmington.

Joe Manchin was not Nick Saban's high school teammate. Nick Saban went to Monongah while Manchin went to Farmington. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.14.217.136 (talk) 23:54, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vick Samson

Tide rolls, UW Dawgs, Rolltide pisco, it's my bedtime, but I think it's important to note the new addition to the coaching staff. If y'all could work that in, that would be great. Roll Tide, Drmies (talk) 02:31, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Let’s talk about his cheating!!

Let’s mention his unethical behavior Augustaman (talk) 02:02, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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In the 2009 section= After the SEC Championship and Before the sentence about winning the BCS Championship, insert the following line:

“On December 12th, Alabama running back Mark Ingram was awarded the Heisman Trophy, becoming the first Heisman winner for Coach Saban as well as first the Crimson Tide.”

Reference: https://www.heisman.com/heisman-winners/mark-ingram/ 185.34.230.218 (talk) 18:26, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. It needs to be covered in reliable secondary sources to be WP:DUE for inclusion. Generally the accomplishments of others don't need to be included in someone's article. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:51, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Correct W-L record

In 2014, Nick Saban and Alabama's official record is 12-1 after Ole Miss had to vacate the win due to the Larry Tunsil saga. The only win that Ole Miss is allowed to officially count from 2014 is the win vs Presbyterian.

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Saban's official record is 265-65-1 (He would have 270 wins if not reduced for vacating wins in 2007 due to the textbook loan saga that he inherited). <

-I have not corrected this yet- not really tech savvy. Scared I will mess the formatting up. I will attempt it if it is not corrected, though.

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Change “Joe Judge- New York Giants” from “2020-present” to “2020-2022”. He was fired as their head coach after the 2021 regular season ended last week. 64.255.134.193 (talk) 12:31, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:49, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I would like to recommend adding a link to the coaching tree Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coaching_tree) to the first usage of the term coaching tree ("Don James Coaching Tree") Romulus118 (talk) 17:15, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done PianoDan (talk) 17:37, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

SEC West Titles

Alabama did not win the SEC west in 2013. They lost to Auburn who won the west and SEC title. 174.73.141.116 (talk) 23:33, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, the SEC recognizes shared division titles if teams finish tied atop the standings. The head-to-head tiebreaker determines which co-champion advances to the SEC title. Same story in the Big Ten. Alabama and Auburn shared the SEC West title in both 2013 and 2017. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:19, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See this article from The Athletic: "The Crimson Tide clinched at least a share of the SEC West title with a 49-21 win over Kentucky on Saturday. There’s a chance that Alabama (9-1, 6-1) could tie for first place with Ole Miss (if Alabama loses to Auburn and Ole Miss wins out), but the Tide hold the tiebreaker due to their 24-10 victory over the Rebels in September. If Ole Miss loses another game, Alabama wins the division outright." Jweiss11 (talk) 00:28, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Saban announced retirement Asdfadsfsadfadsf (talk) 22:45, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Waiting for an official report. See my topic below abcasada (talk) 00:01, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Already done EphemeralPerpetuals (they/them) (talk) 19:41, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Change “is” to “was” in the first sentence. He just retired. 187.216.85.90 (talk) 22:52, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Waiting for an official report. See my topic below abcasada (talk) 00:01, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Already done EphemeralPerpetuals (they/them) (talk) 19:42, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Change 2007 - present Alabama to 2007-2024 Alabama[1] Otaviofrn (talk) 23:19, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Waiting for an official report. See my topic below abcasada (talk) 00:01, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Report is official, per Alabama football on X/Twitter 2600:1700:D0:1340:68BD:82B2:5849:880C (talk) 00:50, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Already done In future, please add further comments to an existing edit request rather than making multiple. EphemeralPerpetuals (they/them) (talk) 19:43, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pending official report before editing to account for his retirement

The news is based on a report from Chris Low/ESPN. Need to wait for official report. There is none yet: "...has informed the Crimson Tide that he is retiring, sources told ESPN's Chris Low on Wednesday." [2]

When the report does come out, be sure to address these areas:

First paragraph of article
Remove all "current" parameters from the main infobox
Add section after "2023 season" mentioning retirement (perhaps partly follow style of Bill Snyder article)

I have edits prepped, but I'm sure someone will beat me to it once the official report comes out... abcasada (talk) 00:00, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retirement Year

One of the introductory paragraph sentences says "He last served as the head football coach at the University of Alabama from 2007 to 2023." His retirement was officially announced on January 10, 2024, assuming it came into effect on that date. But if we’re going by the last game he coached, it was still played on January 1, 2024. 2023 needs to be changed to the present year 2024 for that reason. 38.53.172.57 (talk) 12:52, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We go by the end of his last FBS season, which was 2023, regardless of when it ended. Thanks.

Nick Saban

Nicolas Lou Saban Jr. is an American football coach who is considered to be among the greatest coaches in college football history. He's been the head football coach at the University of Alabama since 2007. 47.226.250.111 (talk) 03:23, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please change Nicholas Lou Saban Jr. to Nick Lou Saban, which is his full name. 69.1.210.200 (talk) 17:00, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Coaching tree

Please add Jason Woodman: Fairmont State (2013-2023), Morehead State (2024-present)[3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.80.213.162 (talk) 21:33, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please add Jody Wright: Murray State (2024-present)

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Looks to be done now by ScottHayter82. Thanks! Red Director (talk) 17:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Liberal super PAC American Bridge runs maverick ad urges Alabama republicans to write-in Nick Saban as Republican candidate instead of Judge Roy Moore, in order to deflect enough Republican voters to toss election to Democrat

[2] ttps://olemiss.rivals.com/news/ole-miss-vacates-more-than-30-wins-over-a-span-of-six-seasons

[3] ttps://www.si.com/college/2019/02/12/ole-miss-vacates-wins-ncaa-violations

[4] ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Freeze

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