Talk:Page Avenue

Page Avenue has been listed as one of the Music good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Review: April 15, 2020. (Reviewed version).

Albums

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Albums, an attempt at building a useful resource on recordings from a variety of genres. If you would like to participate, visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.AlbumsWikipedia:WikiProject AlbumsTemplate:WikiProject AlbumsAlbum articles

Post-hardcore Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Post-hardcore, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of post-hardcore and related topics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Post-hardcoreWikipedia:WikiProject Post-hardcoreTemplate:WikiProject Post-hardcorePost-hardcore articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Guild of Copy Editors

This article was copy edited by Twofingered Typist, a member of the Guild of Copy Editors, on July 14, 2019.Guild of Copy EditorsWikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy EditorsTemplate:WikiProject Guild of Copy EditorsGuild of Copy Editors articles

The following references may be useful when improving this article in the future:

Fair use rationale for Image:SOTY-PageAvenue.jpg

Image:SOTY-PageAvenue.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot (talk) 17:00, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

sorting out genres

Ok this album is mostly pop punk stuff "the hero will drown" "until the day i die" "razorblades" and so it goes on etc.

there are punk songs "in the shadows" "falling down" "divide and conquer" and perhaps dive right in? but i dont know for sure about the latter one because i havent heard it yet, then we have anthem of our dying day, sidewalks, and swallow the knife which are alternative rock.

as for screamo, not every song screams, and some others have some but hardly any at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thrice34 (talk • contribs) 12:25, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

okay, so ive heard dive right in, thats alternative rock so is burning years.

- THRICE 34 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.38.65.47 (talk) 16:32, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Page Avenue/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: David Fuchs (talk · contribs) 18:24, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

~~Review in progress. Look for comments here early next week. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 18:24, 1 April 2020 (UTC)~~[reply]

Overall the article is in decent shape. Comments broken down below: General/Prose:

The prose could use a bit more work. In general, I'd say the biggest issues are unclear sentence constructions and extra words (I suggest reading User:Tony1/Redundancy exercises: removing fluff from your writing for some help.) Examples:
- the group managed to track three songs before guitarist Greg Haupt left in November 2002—why not just say "the group recorded three songs?" Manage to track implies they knew Haupt was going to leave, or otherwise just takes more words to say the same thing.
- During the release delays, the band had been touring as part of the Warped Tour before "Until the Day I Die" was released as a radio single.—This is smashing two sentences together, and adding unnecessarily complicated verb tenses to boot. Instead, you could say something like "The band participated in the Warped Tour before "Until the Day I Die" was released as a radio single" or similar.
- In the process John Reese, who managed Goldfinger, became their manager—you already mention Reese without naming him earlier; if you moved that introduction up there this sentence could be much simpler, "Reese became their manager."
~~the "poppier side" the band had developed prior to moving to California.—is "the band" the Deftones here?~~
- "He let us do what we wanted to do. He didn't change us. Feldmann had originally changed our sound. All of his records have the same sort of sound, because he's always using the same formulas on everything."—I would cut the first two sentences here; I know that's what's actually in the source, but it doesn't really make sense with the intended sentiment and reads clearer and more direct without it.
- On May 7, 2003, it was announced that Story of the Year had signed with major label Maverick Records and that their debut album was scheduled for release in early July. We already know they signed with a major label, so it's weird to have this detail repeated.
- ~~...Kevin Says Stage to the bigger Volcom Stage because of the large crowds...—I don't know anything about these stages, and I'm wondering why I should? Just say they were moved to a bigger stage.~~
- ~~Russell and Phillips co-directed the video for the song, which was based on its vibe than its lyric—I don't really know what "vibe" means, and it doesn't feel like a useful encyclopedic term.~~
- The reception section is mostly just a list of critics giving opinions one after another. Grouping it into aspects of the record (production, lyrical content, overall sound, etc.) would be a better way of approaching it.
  - The structure is a bit better, but there's a ton of quotes here and it makes it hard to read. Summarizing versus quoting single words or short phrases will make it easier to parse. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 21:02, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
~~Why does the certifications chart say 1,000,000 copies sold, but the asterisk says shipped?~~

References:

~~What makes Black Velvet, Melodic, Q103, PunkNews.org, and MusicFeeds reliable sources?~~

See WP:ALBUMS/SOURCES for Punknews and Melodic; removed the rest. Yeepsi (talk) 08:25, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

~~Spot-checked sources to current refs 1, 4, 5, 7, 14, 15, 26, 42, and 52. I didn't spot issues with close-paraphrasing or verification problems.~~

Media:

~~File:Page Avenue.jpg—need a better fair-use rationale for the purpose.~~

--Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 23:55, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Yeepsi (talk) 08:25, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I reduced the amount of quotes. Yeepsi (talk) 21:21, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

After an additional copy editing pass, I think the prose is decent enough for GA criteria. Passing the article. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 18:03, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]