Talk:Groo the Wanderer

misc. comments

Wasn't there hidden riddles in some of the stories? and also a hidden character or something in the artwork? ~Peter — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.223.201.14 (talk) 07:28, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

We need a time frame here: When this comic started and when it ended (did it end?). --Menchi 06:35, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I know what you mean.

I was the guy that wrote this, and I'm not sure what the time frame was. I dunno about Pacific, the Marvel run began in the mid-1980s, and lasted into the 1990s; the Epic run was from 1994-1995 (I know this because it ended around the same time the O. J. Simpson trial; and Dark Horse began in about 1998 or so. I'm not sure if it ended or changed since. Groo's hard to keep track of.

Thanks to the guys who HTMLd this, by the way. It look much better than how I did it. That was the first article I'd ever done.

-Jordan

As long as Sergio Aragones is around Groo will never end.

OK, it's been over a year since the above request was made, but I've added a publication history. MK2 23:09, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

This article needs at least one great image of Groo (and Rufferto). Alexander 007 05:14, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Looks great. Somebody even added a panel (from an issue that I happen to have). Alexander 007 09:52, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The time frame should be, well i read them quite a few years ago, so it should be " The Groo comics came out a few years ago. A.D. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.150.162.178 (talk) 17:54, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Urhm... I amended the bibliography since then including the dates of which issues came out when. The first Groo story was published in 1982 and they continue to the present time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by The One Watcher (talk • contribs) 12:10, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

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The section on "in jokes" was mistitled. An in joke is one that requires some bit of inside knowledge in order to get. A "running gag" is a joke that shows up over and over and over again. As an example, "I am the Prince of Chichester" is a running gag. The fact that when they introduced that line, the editor of the magazine was Daniel Chichester is an in joke. Since the Groo editors didn't actually do anything, they were perhaps seeing if he at least read the book.

The frequent appearance of a foursome that looks like the four creators is both an in joke and a running gag.--192.35.35.36 20:28, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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I changed references to the four creators to use last names. While I suspect all of us who edit this page are fans, WP is an encyclopedia, not a fansite, and the style should reflect this.--192.35.35.34 16:47, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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I added Captain Ahax, Pipil Khan, and Weaver and Scribe to the list of recurring characters. I also included a mention of Arcadio's chin. Please rewrite what I said in any way. I was concerned with getting the names in, and I did not want to leave them as empty stubs.--192.35.35.36 17:15, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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I tidied up the Bibliography. Also I added a few original Groo stories that were not included. Let me know how you like or dislike the layout.The One Watcher 22:27, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

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I added details, mostly based on the Kim Thompson interview in Comics Journal #128. In the pre-interview material, Thompson explained that the printed interview was severely edited by him for good English, yet the original was so much more expressive and directly understandable: "I think of him as the Picasso of public speaking".--192.35.35.36 18:22, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I've heard that the jokes about Aragones' difficulties are in fact just jokes. Evanier, who's helped perpetuate these stories, says that Aragones will sometimes go along with the joke by pretending to be incapable of speaking English. But the reality is that he's been living in the US for over forty years and speaks and writes fluent English (albeit with an accent). MK2 11:54, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I refer you to the CJ interview, which came out in April 1989. Thompson explained that they had hours of Aragonés on tape, and the English was fractured like crazy the whole time, and that what we readers are reading is a heavily edited version, with Aragonés' approval. His quotation regarding Aragonés and Picasso is a little longer, saying that after the first few minutes, Thompson's brain adjusted, and like Picasso's paintings with two eyes on the same side of the face, the result is incredibly expressive and so obviously right, but still a little short on the mundane factuality.

I have never met or heard Aragonés, but it wouldn't surprise me if he's a little disfluent, but also that he can lay it one thick. I've known a number of long-term emigres, and some do well with English, some do not.--192.35.35.36 14:12, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I can't find any cite online. But I remember reading Evanier telling an anecdote about Aragones' English. Evanier admitted he's made numerous jokes about Aragones' supposedly poor English but said he actually speaks it fluently. He wrote about how Aragones was doing an interview for a college radio station. Evanier said the interviewer had taken the jokes about Aragones' poor English skills at face value and provided a translator. Aragones decided to go along with it and did the whole interview in Spanish.

The only thing I found was this site, http://www.sergioaragones.com/ask.htm, in which Aragones appears to be quite fluent in written English. Admittedly there's no proof he wrote the answers himself or that they weren't edited. I also found that Aragones did an extensive interview on a 1991 video called "The Comic Book Greats Video #3: Sergio Aragones" - if anyone has a copy of this, I'd like to hear from them. Seeing a taped interview should resolve this issue. MK2 19:13, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Issue #1

In the section Running gags there is a link to "Issue #1". It currently points to a non existing section at the disambiguation page for the word "Issue". Where is it supposed to go? Bergsten 17:09, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

The Card Game

Is there any scope to add information about the Groo the Wanderer card game?

I don't see why not. Sounds like a good idea. I'd suggest adding the information in a separate section. If the section grows too large it can easily be broken into its own article and linked to from here. Jcsutton 12:37, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Did I Err?

Looks to me like Groo brings destruction to every comics publisher, too, & Sergio doesn't know it. (And what does Mark Evanier do?) Trekphiler 14:24, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

New Releases

Added info for upcoming 25 year anniversary special and new mini-series. The One Watcher 10:13, 01 June 2007

Groop Email about new mini-series Hogs of Horder date April 8, 2009

Mark Evanier: Actually, what happened was a change of plans. We just today scheduled the next GROO mini-series. It's called THE HOGS OF HORDER, by the way.

The first issue comes out in October. —Preceding unsigned comment added by The One Watcher (talk) 13:06, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

You mean this? Thanks. Man of wealth and taste (talk) 13:10, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Yep. That's it. Thanks for the assistance. :P The One Watcher (talk) 13:47, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Frequently Asked Questions about Groo

Not sure where this can be added into the article, but it is practically impossible to get the answers to a few of these frequently asked questions from Mark Evanier (because he's so smarmy) or Sergio (because he can never remember); however, they are answered in Issue 65 of the Epic Run, page 23, dated May 1990 (and there's your reference).

° What is that blue thing on Groo's chest?

It is an itakoshiate, a japanese kind of sword holder. Makes sense considering he carries katanas.

Actually, there's another Groo-grams where Mark Evanier claims that the blue rectangle is a video tape that Groo has forgotten to return. When I next riffle through my copies, I'll reference which comic it is. a_man_alone (talk) 09:08, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

° What is that tiny skull on Groo's belt?

It is a netsuke (not the skull from a Groo reader), which is a kind of button Japanese people of the time used to attach a pouch to their belts. Some of them were hollowed out for carrying things in.

For what it's worth, that tiny dagger Groo carries is also apparently called a hamidashi, although nobody ever seemed to want to know that.

I knew I had read it somewhere and, after rifling through my archive back and forth, found this nugget in the Groo Grams page of this issue. Mark confirmed it as factual (without his usual sarcasm) so, since it's referenced, maybe somebody can include it in the article. 208.38.59.161 (talk) 03:51, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Adding External Link

I'm adding a new external link (The Groo's Dictionary / El Diccionario Groo) but someone is continuously removing it. May anyone help me? Why can't I add it? Is something wrong with the link (diccionariodegroo.blogspot.com)?

I don't know who is removing your link, however it might be because this is an English Wiki page and you are trying to link a non-English website to it. Just a guess. The One Watcher (talk) 00:34, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually, links to fan sites in general are a no-no. See WP:ELNO. Choor monster (talk) 20:36, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Added New Section To Bibliography

I added the new section of "Reprints" to the Bibliography to include the second and third printings of Death of Groo and the second printing of Life of Groo. Hopefully this will satisfy all parties without having a tug of war between adding a reprint into the Reprint Collections section. The One Watcher (talk) 02:07, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Friends and Foes

The Dark Horse link [1] describes the new Groo as "Each month of this yearlong series". The small print at the bottom of the link says "Format: FC, 32 pages; Ongoing" It's not our job to override the sources. Find an RS that calls this a maxiseries, and then we'll actually have something to talk about.

The connection implied between #1 and #2 is way too tenuous for me to consider them in any way connected. It's no different than an arc ending with the appearance of something mysterious that is going to be important to the next arc. That's done all the time, and is described as "two arcs", not "one arc".

But it gets worse. Even if we were to accept this connection as creating a single plot-line, you are blatantly violating WP:CRYSTAL by assuming all 12 issues will indeed "connect".

Heck, you're also violating WP:CRYSTAL by assuming they will complete all 12 issues, or not change their mind and expand it a bit. We can pass along the announcement that they intend to put out 12 issues, but not much more. And "not much more" precludes going beyond the given description. Choor monster (talk) 00:51, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

It's an announced 12 issues. Yes, that's what we know. An announced finite amount of any issues is a limited series, whether it be a miniseries or maxiseries. There's been zero indication that it will be go beyond that, correct. So there's no reason to even begin to think it will go past that. Additionally, in order for series to be connected, there's no rule, steadfast or loose, that each issue NEEDS a plot to flow seamlessly. Lastly, as far as reliable sources calling it a maxiseries, I'm going to submit [2] in which the the Sergio And Mark Show at San Diego Comic Con 2014 is covered and quoted. In addition to calling it a maxiseries, Mark Evanier indicates, “There is a connective link between all the issues.” and “We’re not telling them what it is, Sergio.” NJZombie (talk) 15:27, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

RS wins. All yours. Choor monster (talk) 15:32, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

I self-reverted. Note that the use of "maxi-series" is the author, not S or M. Note that it's also described as 12 one-shots. Ie, not connected. As to what the "connection" is, I would assume it's right up there with "secret message" from way back when. If it were a plot element, they wouldn't be giggling about it. Choor monster (talk) 15:47, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

• FYI, now that Issue #3 is out. There was no segue from #2 to #3. On the other hand, a new character has been introduced with a definite forthcoming plot element in mind, likely providing a thread of connection after all. I doubt that's what S&M got all giggly over. More amusingly, there was a fan letter (from the books' long-term #1 fan) that called it a "mini-series". I thought that was the funniest part of the book, but then I'm somewhat peculiar.
• I suppose someone could write to S&M and ask for clarification, but of course their answer would not be of the straightforward informational variety. Choor monster (talk) 12:56, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Behind the scenes

I deleted the behind-the-scenes description of a certain actor posing for Sergio as the Sage. It's random trivia so far as things to say in a brief summary regarding the Sage. However, I encourage someone expanding on the "behind the scenes" concept as a separate paragraph or subsection on Groo-humor, about how metahumor was included at times in the book's inside front cover and so on. For example, models/actors who would dress up in costumes and pose for Sergio, and naming Goulet as the Sage would be spot-on in such a write-up, complete with ref to the issue. (Not me, my back issues are pretty much all boxed up.) Choor monster (talk) 12:05, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

And don't forget, behind-the-scenes was half the Groo-vs-Conan series content anyway, so yes, we do need something about this strain of metahumor. Choor monster (talk) 15:52, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Types of humor section?

Didn't there used to be a kinds of humor section here? I was going to add that the latest F&F#7 had a hidden message, and it seems the humor section is, hmmm, also hidden. Choor monster (talk) 20:39, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

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The Creators

Citation for Evanier's claims can be found at [3] 2601:98B:8003:109C:D916:4938:CAFD:47E3 (talk) 07:50, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

new Groo projects

Does anyone know if the two Groo projects mentioned in this article are still happening? Groo: Day of the Gods and Groo meets Tarzan. I haven't seen any other mention of the two series.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/07/20/the-mark-sergio-stan-and-maybe-tom-show-sdcc-panel/

--Meteor — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.22.18.123 (talk) 07:24, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Mark Evanier stated on a Facebook group both works are completed, but the release is delayed due to the pandemic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:730:7BC0:F90D:4ED6:5E8D:2EB0 (talk) 04:57, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Bibliography Cleanup

Removing Starslayer #4 Pacific and the six Marvel Age issues from Bibliography under the Original Publications section. These are not original Groo stories. These are only articles, cover art, ads, etc. If these are wanted to be added to the bibliography then hundreds of additional entries are needed and need to have an additional section created specifically for them. I noticed people on the Groo the Wanderer Facebook page thinking they needed these seven publications in order to have a "complete" Groo collection. In reality these are an arbitrarily chosen handful of Groo appearances that do not contain Groo stories and should not be listed as part of the Groo library of stories. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The One Watcher (talk • contribs) 14:54, 6 October 2021 (UTC)