Talk:Big two

references

For an informal game of this nature (lacking written resources), this article is more than adequately referenced and I've removed the lack-of-references notice. The way the game is played matches the consensus of wikipedians. Momolee 07:14, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

the naming of the game

did my character come out as garbage code or something? or unless i am mistaken in some timeline. i distinctively remember how it is called in Taiwan as what i edited. consider it as slang or anything. i just thought it might be something to be taken note of because i believe that many will raise an eyebrow if its said otherwise.

was it wrong to say it that way or something? Mint greentea 04:24, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

did my character come out as garbage code or something?: Yes, exactly. —UTSRelativity 16:46, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

regions

the rules on this page is the American style, which is unlike the way a quarter of all human beings play this game, is it ok to change it? 1698 2005 December 12 18:20 UTC

- Now all variations (Hong Kong, Taiwanese, Malaysian, Vietnamese rules) are included. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kakarukeys (talk • contribs) .

a quarter of all human beings means all China. we dont play with suits and thus not flushes either. i guess i can just add it as a subsection of the veriations. --1698 2006 February 16 07.10 Zulu

- yes you are most welcome to write down this interesting point. But in my opinion, a big2 game without flushes is quite boring.

Why is the deuce special?

Making the deuce the highest card, but low for straights, seems needlessly confusing to novice players. Is there any particular reason why this card acts this way, or was it some arbitrary idea that happened to catch on? - furrykef (Talk at me) 21:27, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

this depends on the rules someone plays by. some ppl play poker w/ 12345 straights and some dont, its the same thing--1698 2005 12 21 19:50 UTC

As mentioned by JinFX, it depends on how u wanna play it. If u want the Deuce to be the highest card in straights, by all means. Just remember to agree upon the rules with the people u play with before the start of the gaming session so that everyone knows the ranking system.Kiwi8 07:31, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Why is the deuce special? Because we are sick of playing Ace as the highest card as in Poker. In most asian rules, straights with Deuce rank high.

The deuce high is part of asian custom for these climbing games. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.72.118.170 (talk) 16:27, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

The reason, intuitively, is that a "straight" is a sequence of consecutive rank from low to high. So if you go up to the highest card (deuce) and then immediately go to the lowest card (3), that seems like a break in the progression from low to high. To solve this, we simply order straights by the last card in the low-to-high sequence, regardless of whether there is a deuce or something like that earlier in the sequence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.80.119.67 (talk) 02:06, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Uneven numbered players

For games when there are only 3 players, either 17 cards are dealt to each person, with the last card (sometimes displayed) going to the person with the 3 of diamonds, or 13 cards are dealt to each player and the other 13 are just left on the side. 70.111.244.69 14:25, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

and the other 13 are just left on the side... and when a player has to pass, s/he draws a card from the 13. 203.218.87.69 12:18, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Sometimes people play with a full deck, sometimes people play with only 13 cards and uses the remaining cards as a draw pile. There are just too many variations in this game. User:CuffX 03:22, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Is this true?

       * Royal Straight Flush: A composite of A-K-Q-J-10 with the same suit is known as the highest combination in the game (according to the highest suit which is spade) (var. 3).

I always thought that J-Q-K-A-2 was the biggest royal straight flush.

-Depends if your style accepts K-A-2 in straights or not?

Variations

Since there are so many versions of this game, someone should group the variations together by country to clean things up.

• Also, the Straights explanation in the 5-card hands section is not consistent. (If an A-2-3-4-5 straight is ranked the highest, then a straight flush of the same sequence should be ranked the highest straight flush) One rank should be standard and the other a variant. I'll make the changes if I have time.

References to card counting in the variations section is removed as this terminology is only used for blackjack. Curbing card "tracking" is neither advantageous nor disadvantageous, and just changes the nature of the game where it is less predictable. Momolee 12:11, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

why big two?

Why is it called big two? What is being big? What is two? --Sonjaaa 07:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

- Because the two is the highest card, hence "Big two"

Glaring mistake?

Have I made an incorrect edit, or am I right in thinking that, given all my years of playing Choh dai di/big 2, that it is in no way a 53 card, but instead a 52 card game? How on Earth has such an egregious mistake persisted on the wiki? If for some reason I have been playing it incorrectly all these years please feel free to revert the change. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.234.4.10 (talk) 21:24, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

who is undoing my edits and why?

I found several similar games in various article and I was attempting to link them to each other with a "See Also" section. Someone named "Can't sleep, clown will eat me" is systematically undoing these edits without explaination. why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.196.241.47 (talk) 07:49, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

These sections are not helpful, please rely on categories and well-cited prose to explain the relationships rather than creating a see also section. Thank you, Can't sleep, clown will eat me 07:52, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

This is not the first time I've seen edits arbitrarily deleted by self-righteous content masters. While I appreciate your vigilance against vandals, you and others like you are also removing well-intentioned work and discouraging contributions. It looks like Wikipedia is becoming the place where only the "perfect" may dwell. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.196.241.47 (talk) 08:10, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Irrelevant Picture

The picture doesn't have anything to do with Big Two, other than it being a scene of people playing card games in China, and that Big Two is also a card game played in China. The filename of the image is "People playing card games in the street" (does not mention Big Two) and there is no evidence that they're playing Big Two. --208.80.119.67 (talk) 02:09, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Merge proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was merge. TRL (talk) 01:13, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

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I propose merging Pusoy dos into Big two. Pusoy dos is a minor variant of Big two and I don't think it merits its own page. There are very few sources for this as a stand-alone game. One of the citations here goes to an archived article that is not a WP:RS; the other goes to John McLeod's page for Big Two at pagat.com where he only gives Pusoy dos a couple of lines as a variant, not even a separate section. The essential differences can be added to Big Two without causing would any article-size or weighting problems.Bermicourt (talk) 08:57, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

@Bermicourt: given the lack of objection and the clear case, I think that it would be fine for you or any other used to merge these. You might have more expertise than me to do this elegantly! Klbrain (talk) 21:13, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.