Talk:Higher self

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A description of the group putting forward these ideas and its history would be useful to place them in context. --pfh

The NPOV page says:

• If a viewpoint is in the majority, then it should be easy to substantiate it with reference to commonly accepted reference texts;
• If a viewpoint is held by a significant minority, then it should be easy to name prominent adherents;
• If a viewpoint is held by an extremely small (or vastly limited) minority, it doesn't belong in Wikipedia (except perhaps in some ancillary article) regardless of whether it's true or not; and regardless of whether you can prove it or not.

Surely this page falls into the last category?

I agree and have added a clean up tag - Solar 13:07, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Not only does the content currently there need to be placed in the context of a certain author or movement at the very least, but there are several bodies of thought that use the term differently -- I found this page through a link from the Theosophy page, and several Golden Dawn authors use it. A more comprehensive overview of the term and some similar concepts would be worthwhile. M.C. ArZeCh 11:05, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Would like to know who first coined the term "Higher Self"? Surely that info should be included in the article.

I think I saw somewhere in wiki that it was Alice Bailey (or at least Madame Blavatsky) who coined it, but I forget what page I was browsing.Julia Rossi 12:44, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I've commented on this before, but it does bear repeating: this article mentions at the top a variety of traditions which have some higher self concept, then proceeds to list "types of higher selves" never discussed in some of those traditions. Either this is someone's personal opinion, or it's from a very specific segment of literature on the subject. --M.C. ArZeCh 19:32, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

3 Dec 2009: From Val Valerian. I am an author and an expert in this matter, and have reposted a corrected definition of the HS on two occasions, Dec 2 and Dec 3, based on experience and knowledge, not speculation and belief. The page as of 3 Dec DEFINES what the Higher Self IS. It does not list 'traditions' , cultural beliefs, etc. Wikipedia is about DEFINING things from the viewpoint of an EXPERT, and there is nothing more defining than actual experience and knowledge, not New Age 'perspectives' which reflects a body of literature NOT based on actual experience. The notion that no one could actually know the answer to this question is ludicrious, and presumes that it could never be defined, but only forever 'guessed at'.

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30 Dec 2009: From another Higher Self "expert". It is unfortunate that a spiritual elitist decided to remove the previous content from the Wikipedia page on the Higher Self. Many people have contributed to this (now removed) information and added internet sources for further research and understanding. To claim that all the previous information was "dumb, stupid, and useless" is only Val Valerian's personal opinion - an arrogant opinion that clearly shows she does not embody the qualities of a highly evolved being: "higher functions, like compassion, understanding and empathy".

If someone wishes to contribute to the Wikipedia - a public source of information - he/she should leave the original information intact and add his/her new content to the existing page. There is no reason to remove other's information. Please respect the original intention of Wikipedia and the personal experience of others. The internet community is now at a loss due to one person's selfish motives and greed for personal fame, fortune, and followers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.163.73 (talk) 01:52, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

To val valerian: nobody cares here what you are and/or who you are. You need to learn what wikipedia is, and study policies and guidelines immediately, in order to be able to continue editing/contributing wikipedia. If you don't follow, you can be blocked in no time. It is plain vandalism to delete an article's talk page and can lead to a quick block. Take this message as a warning, otherwise I will ask an admin to take care of you. Logos5557 (talk) 16:22, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I happen to know who val is. He does come off as arrogant. He makes claims he is an expert and highly evolved then acts like an ass. I'd like to see proof of his claims. If he is so evolved he should have no trouble with this. Explain to us how we can experience what you have. If you can't, don't edit Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.220.7.24 (talk) 04:51, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Aquarian Perspective

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There is new information coming onto the plant which simplifies many past, and can I say, complicated knowledge over spiritual terms. I agree with the comments above, and have added a short definition on the Higher Self, and source, to the main page. Ginajr 04:06, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Quotes?

There are things in Comparisons and Summary that are indented as though they are quotes but don't indicate who they are quoting. RJFJR 17:31, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Expert Verification

I removed the cleanup tag and tried to give the article a more encyclopedic tone. Unfortunately, I don't know much about the subject, and, as it has already been stated, it seems that this article represents only one view point. More insight is needed by those who know the subject (either specific to one area, or on a broad level). -Barkeep 14:19, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Another model

I've added Max Freedom Long's version of the huna model. I stipulate MFL because not all modern huna agree with him either. There's also a transpersonal model so when I get time I'll put that in too. These ideas also seem to come from Indian buddhism, so more research there as well probably. Julia Rossi 12:04, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Second thoughts

The intro is nice and wiki, but on second thoughts the middle of this article needs wikified language and is only one model of the higher self. It has origins in the Atman of Hinduism and Buddhism appearing in mysticism as well, as an ultimate self. It could be a good article with more models of the hs, and if the middle section (with all its third, fourth and fifth densities) could be identified as one kind of belief – does anyone know what that is? On its own it's an unnamed unsupported (yet fascinating) construct. Julia Rossi 12:41, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

POV check and essay tags

This article seems to be written from a subjective viewpoint which is significantly in the minority, and needs a rewrite to meet wikipedia's encyclopaedic standards. It also needs references that support the notability of this concept. Verbal chat

Communicating with your Higher Self

It is possible to open a dialogue of communication with the Higher Self, as well as directly channeling the Higher Self into the earth-incarnate body. Since the Higher Self is a high dimensional being with a much greater consciousness and energy, the clarity of the communication and channeling is determined by the spiritual development of the earth incarnation. A more developed earth incarnation can remain in communication with the Higher Self at all times. Since the Higher Self is the source of the incarnated awareness, the benefits to the earth incarnation are many.

In Rachel Creager's summary of the book "Edgar Cayce on Channeling your Higher Self":

One of the important theses in this book is that the common idea of channeling, as an experience in which one completely loses oneself to a separate entity being channeled (aka "trance channeling"), is not the only, nor even the ideal, form of channeling. Trance channeling bypasses the individual, thus limiting the individual's opportunity to learn and grow through the experience. Cayce often emphasized the importance of attuning to the higher self, while remaining conscious.

In this way, any person can channel the higher self, and, at the same time, access your own individual creativity, and heightened experience of connection with the universe, while remaining an individual. In its broadest sense, channeling includes any act of transmission, whether of love (as in giving someone a hug); an idea (as in sharing it with someone); creative effort; and many other forms.

In addition, since all Higher Selves are One, being part of Universal Consciousness; it is possible for a spiritually developed person to communicate with and channel the Higher Selves of other people, to communicate guidance from another person's Higher Self to their earth incarnation. The authenticity of this type of communication has been verified by people receiving the Higher Self communication from the channel medium. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.121.91.117 (talk) 16:51, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

References

Wikipedia criterias

This article fails to satisfy very basic criterias; has no references, no NPOV, no clarity. Additionally, it can be one of the best example to original research. Logos5557 (talk) 10:54, 26 December 2008 (UTC)