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List is completely false

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Hey people, the article it titled "List of companies OF THE PHILIPPINES" not a list of all the companies IN the Philippines mean companies such as IBM, JPMorgan, Mcdonalds, MOST of the banks should not be on the list! They are not filipino companies, they are just companies that have branches there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.255.14.125 (talk) 18:15, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Companies

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I was hoping to make a Philippine 50 of sorts that would list 50 of the largest companies that are Philippine based (perhaps in terms of revenue) whether a publicly traded corporation, a state owned company, or a sole proprietorship. The other big businesses may be added later. Help anyone? Also, the company entries itself should be made also.....

Note to anyone contributing

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Make sure you put the company name, and not a trading brand name. Companies may enter different markets with different names. This is stictly a list of companies, ok? So pls remove the redundant brands and put it under just one company, ex. (Jollibee should include Greenwich and Chowking). If you want to make entries on the brands, that's ok, just don't add it to the list.

Finally, don't put any entries that include companies that are not notable. Those entries may be in danger from article deletion. Pls make sure that your entries are notable.

I agree. My guts tell me that most of the people who add just want to popularize a biz, whether they work there or not, whether they like the biz or not. --Noypi380 13:03, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)..

== Suggesting a reference: "Top 1000 

Corporations in the Phils" ==

Perhaps contributors may use these types of reference in order to populate the list?

Mgc0wiki 03:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Philippine-based

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Can we have a definition in the article itself what the term "Philippine-based" means? i.e. originated in the Philippines, Filipino (citizen or national?) founder/operator, x% of branches in the Philippines, etc. Shrumster 08:56, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vandal?

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I was editing the Information Technology section when I saw "Batang Yagit" in the list. Is this a vandal? Simoncpu (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 09:08, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"fhm philippines" removed from motor vehicles and parts

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Edit went unnoticed for over a month and removed from section. Reason: FHM Philippines does NOT manufacture motor vehicles and parts, they publish magazines. Sir Jazer 13 (talk) 17:08, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply] 

It sure was in the wrong section. Should you not have put it in correct section (media), rather than just delete it. FHM is not to my taste but is a big selling publication.Boopolo (talk) 05:12, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Not Notable; Top 1,000, Corporations Will not work.

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The 'Not notable' suggestion is contentious. As The Philippines Islands are such; Islands, what is notable in Cebu or Davao might not be heard of in Manila. A bank serving the whole of region VIII might not be heard of outside region VIII, and yet in the top five there. A top Hotel in Southern Leyte, may be known by everyone in the whole of the provence, but never heard of up North. As the majority of the population is in NCR, Luzon area, this article could be endanger of becoming Northern biased.

As for top 1,000. How can that work? Statistics here in the Philippines are totally inaccurate. The 'official' unemployment rate is a typical example. Another example is the have the UK and Ireland in Northern Europe.

Corporations. Why corporations? All big companies are not corporations. Some are privatly owned. Boopolo (talk) 04:49, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There are about 160 or so of these "companies of xxx" lists; all but a few use notability in the same context that wikipedia as a whole does. That is, there must be an established article on the company for it to be listed in the index. Other criteria simply do not work. Concur that "corporations" is not a useful term here; any business entity or aspect thereof should suffice. Unless there is a better suggestion on how to control the scope of the list, I would suggest, at the very least, to trim it back to non-redlinked entries. Kuru (talk) 16:18, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Since there has been no response for a month, I'll start trimming back the entries to notable entries based on the existence of articles. Kuru (talk) 02:37, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Companies with significant international presence

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@Gobautista: you added a nice list of firms as a breakout at the top of the article, but I'm not sure what the inclusion criteria is there. By "global presence", did you just mean that they've expanded beyond the domestic market? It seems like there's quite a few from the list below that would meet that threshold. Were you trying to just make a "top companies" list? Maybe just a raw ranking by revenues would be better? I usually use the Fortune Global 500, but nothing from the Philippines is on there. There's also the Forbes Global 2000, which does have good representation for ranking maybe the top five. Thoughts? Kuru (talk) 15:45, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Gobautista, Hollyckuhno, and Alexf: just following up on this. I noticed that Alexf re-removed the list of logos that I had already removed once before; using non-free images as decoration is problematic and fails WP:NFCC. I'm still concerned with the inclusion criteria, most firms will have some form of "international presence", be it in consumer markets or supply chains. Still looking for thoughts on the F2000 criteria mentioned above. Kuru (talk) 17:21, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
For me it has to be objective. Companies should be notable enough and should have significant amount of revenues coming from abroad to be included in the list. Hollyckuhno (talk) 10:38, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"Notable enough" and "significant" do not seem to fit the word "objective." Both words are not defined clearly, and you have no idea what fraction of revenues come from overseas in the case of private firms and this will vary, sometimes significantly, year-over-year. I think you can see the problem here. With no other feedback, I'd like to convert this to align to the Global Fortune 2000 list. This would pick up SM Investments, BDO Unibank, JG Summit Holdings, Ayala Philippines, Top Frontier Investment Holdings, Metropolitan Bank & Trust, Aboitiz Equity Ventures, and Manila Electric.Kuru (talk) 12:25, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
All the firms you have just said except for JG Summit doesn't have international presence. The list is very clear (companies with significant international presence), it doesn't matter if these companies are earning billions of dollars in the Philippines but if they are not earning from offshore operation then they should not be included in the list. Hollyckuhno (talk) 03:44, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Let me just give you an idea, Top Frontier is a holding company that owns a significant amount of shares in big corporations. It doesn't even have a real operation. What it has is a lot of money and probably an office with 5 employees, then we have Ayala which develops and operates malls and real estate properties in the country, MERALCO which distributes electricity in Mega Manila and NCR, Aboitiz Equity which is another holding company, the banks which operates in the Philippines. All of these companies doesn't have international presence, maybe they have international partners (especially the banks) but the bottomline is that their presence outside the country is either slim or non-existent. Hollyckuhno (talk) 03:51, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think you misunderstand me, I'm not proposing that the Fortune Global 2000 listing be used to define "international presence. I'm proposing it to be an objective measure of a large firm as determined by a reliable source with a specific methodology. If you don't agree that a list of large firms adds value, then I understand. I'm assuming you have not come up with an objective definition for the section you've edited? Kuru (talk) 04:02, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Well if you want to revise the article and list the "largest companies in the Philippines" in terms of revenues, assets, equity, market capitalization, and number of employees then I don't have anything against it. I just edited the list with "global presence" to improve the article in the first place and if there will be a better revision of the article then it'll be welcome. Hollyckuhno (talk) 04:24, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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