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population

I'd like to know the source of the population figures. The 2000 census has a population of 1,885,321 for the metropolitan area, which includes 23 municipalities (even some in the neighboring state of Tlaxcala). The population of the city itself must be less than 2,000,000. --68.40.194.38 23:15, 13 February 2006 (UTC)Well that might not be true.[reply]

The population of the city was higher in 2000 than the number given by the INEGI. It's said that the population was artificially reduced in order to decrease the money given to the city by the federation. Need to look if there're some online news on this matter. Equinoxe 19:13, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't know that INEGI had reduced the pop figure. Anyways, yes the government did report 1.8 million for the metropolitan area in 2000 (I believe it was the CONAPO though, not INEGI, but I'm not 100% sure), and including municipalities in Tlaxcala. The 2.2 million figure that I wrote, comes from a report about the most competitive cities in Latin America done by the economics magazine "America Economia". I had also seen that figure in other reports, though the metropolitan area was labeled "Puebla-Tlaxcala", and I guess they are including more municipalities of Tlaxcala, and perhaps the city of Tlaxcala itself. Since there is no universal or national (speaking of Mexico) definition of metropolitan area (they just recently agreed, for the first time, to give a definition for the Greater Mexico City in 2005), it's hard to determine which municipalities should be included. Given the fact that Puebla-Tlaxcala (all the way to Huamantla) is an industrial zone (corredor industrial, I believe it's called), some consider they whole area to be "linked" economically, and thus to form one "metropolitan area". However, if we want to be accurate, we should only report INEGI's 2000 figure, until they report the new 2005 Census figure. --J.Alonso 16:44, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In terms of the size of the city, we've got a big discrepancy. It is supposedly the fourth largest city, but the figure we give for its population (2 million) is larger than either Guadalajara or Monterrey. There's something odd going on. john k 07:02, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good point; Puebla is the fourth largest metropolitan area after Mexico City Metro Area (18 million), Guadalajara Metro Area (3.8 million) and Monterrey Metro Area (3.8 million), all population figures from the 2000 census, Puebla Metro Area comes fourth with 1.8 million (2000 census) not 2 million, though we should still wait for the official results (not yet made public) of the 2005 census. HOWEVER, Puebla is also the fourth largest city (or municipality) after Mexico City (8 million), Guadalajara (1.6 million) [1] and Ecatepec de Morelos (1.6 million) [2]. Puebla comes fourth (1.35 million) [3] closely followed by Nezahualcóyotl or Cd. Neza (1.2) million) [4] and Tijuana (1.2 million) [5] and Juárez (1.2 million) [6]. So, even though the article should have said that it is the fourth largest metropolitan area in Mexico, Puebla is, nontheless, the fourth largest city in Mexico. --J.Alonso 02:18, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mexico city has a population of 100,000,000 people accarding to the cinces report — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.4.9.88 (talk) 19:14, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

City's motto

The motto that appears under Puebla City's Coat of Arms belongs to the Coat of Arms of the STATE of Puebla, not the City. The proper translation of the City's motto which appears in latin must say "God sent his angels to watch over all your roads". Can somebody correct it?

Angelis suis - His angels
Deus - God (not Dominus - Lord)
mandavit de te - will (may he) send to you (a subjunctive term)
ut custodiant te - to watch over, take charge of, keep you
in omnibus viis tuis - in all your ways (viis declension of via, road or way)

At best: "May God send His angels to keep you in all your ways." This would be the best translation contextually when the line is stand alone. From within a psalm verse it would translate contextually : "For God will send...."

City's motto: Psalm 91,11

For he will put his angels in charge of you, to guard you in all your ways

more translations

Name in Nahuatl

There is no official name in Nahuatl for the city. In fact, the Náhuatl name refers to the valley, and does not translate as "Puebla". Since the city was the first to be designed and founded upon a non-inhabited area and not upon a previous indigenous settlement, it makes no sense to add a name that was never used (and it is not used, even by Nahua people) to refer to the city. The users of the Nahuatl wiki have been creating dozens of non-normative neologisms when writing their articles, like using tlatoani to refer to the current president of Mexico, besides writing their articles in Classical Nahuatl, a dead language like Latin, which has evolved into different modern languages. The majority of the Nahua that live in Puebla do not call the city Cuetlaxcōāpan, but Puebla. --the Dúnadan 21:14, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

I have two comments about the article. The first one is about the education section: The UDLA is not in the municipality of Puebla and is not the most important university in the region, but the BUAP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_University_of_Puebla). The second comment concerns the foundation of the city. Some researchers consider that the valley of Cuetlaxcoapan (that one where Puebla city was created) was inhabited before the arrival of Spaniards. For exemple: Barbosa Cano, Manlio, 2000, « Puebla. Proceso fundacional milenario », Enlaces, 8 (nouvelle époque): 5-12. I suggest you to change the lines concerning those questions.

Thanks,

Edugoca (talk) 00:12, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It all depends on what you consider important. UDLA is privately financed and BUAP is publicly financed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.190.127.126 (talk) 18:09, 28 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

is vinaigrette consider a mother sauce? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.14.63.231 (talk) 17:48, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline of Puebla, Puebla, Mexico

What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 14:03, 19 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Article name change

Who moved the article? Did I miss the discussion? I don't care for this. Bkatcher (talk) 02:29, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's in the history. Looks like quite a thrash. Someone needs to figure out what to move it back to and ask at WP:RMTR. Dicklyon (talk) 02:31, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's done. Back to "Puebla (city)", the result of the most recent RM discussion. Dicklyon (talk) 01:46, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Puebla capital listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Puebla capital. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Dicklyon (talk) 05:12, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Historic centre of Puebla

Should there be an article and category for the Historic centre of Puebla, which has been declared a world heritage site by UNESCO? I should note, there's es:Centro histórico de Puebla and versions in the languages as well. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:58, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I went ahead and created a stub + Category:Historic center of Puebla. Those familiar with the centre's boundaries are invited to help populate with other entries in Category:Puebla (city). ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:16, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Geography?

Unless I'm overlooking, I'm not seeing much information about the geography of the city itself. Above I asked about Puebla's historic center, but more generally, are there any notable neighborhoods or other subdivisions? For many major cities, there are articles and categories for certain areas. I'd think Puebla is large enough for some sub-articles, but I'm no expert and I've only visited the city once. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:19, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Name

Hello, could someone rename this page to «Puebla de Zaragoza» because in the article in spanish that is what it is called and it is also the official name of the city. although most maybe all people they call it «Puebla» Inc 12345* (talk) 22:16, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:Requested moves is the correct venue. However, if you start with an argument like "although most maybe all people they call it «Puebla»", you will end up sabotaging yourself. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 00:38, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Aguascalientes City that might affect this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — Moscow Mule (talk) 21:55, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]