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Queen Elizabeth

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I removed references to Queen Elizabeth of the UK and Prince Charles as I can't find any references to asassination attempts for either. Someone fired a blank pistol at QE2, and someone broke into Buckingham Palace, but there was never a serious attempt to kill either as far as I can tell. DJ Clayworth 13:59, 18 Sep 2003 (UTC)

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Are we including people who've survived all assassination attempts except one (generally the last one)? I'm fairly certain Uday Hussein is no more. Same goes for Bob Marley, and it's explicitly noted that Hendrik Verwoerd was indeed killed.

Would like to bring to your attention and I can't for the life of me wonder why this man has not been added to the list; In the Spring of 1981 Ronald Regan was shot on March 30th, 1981 and then Pope Jean Paul II on May 13, 1981 but what people have been avoiding here is that a Constable in Shediac, New Brunswick was ordered to work a double shift and was shot 5 times point blank range when a man who the officer believed to be highly intoxicated staggered right in the path of his police cruiser on June 2, 1981.

The assailant left the officer there on the ground and then stole his police cruiser and dumped it 5 miles out of the Town of Shediac, at Cap Bimet, New Brunswick. Witnesses were not interviewed and those that spoke out police refused to take statements from them.

Up to three police cruisers saw the assailant escaping with a damaged police cruiser but according to police did not stop him. The officer spent three weeks in intensive care unit at the Moncton City Hospital and three weeks in a private room. The Officer's uniform was returned to him in August of 1981 two months after he was shot with a message to keep it as a remembrance of what happen to him.

A revolver they say was found in the police cruiser was left on the floor in salt water for two weeks, was discarded, was never sent to a crime lab to be identified and checked against a bullet taken from the officer's body but was destroyed 5 months later along with the only undamaged bullet.

The motive for the Assignation attempt was to get him out of the way. There is a blog with pictures of the crime scenes, media news reports & police files & letters explaining.

Can anyone help create an entry for this man? The Blog; http://shediac1981.wordpress.com

What you describe is not an assassination; it's attempted murder of a police officer, something which unfortunately occurs with some regularity if not daily. GenQuest "Talk to Me" 12:14, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Chronological vs. Alphabetical

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On another issue, is reverse chronological order more useful than alphabetical? I thought these were in no particular order and was on the verge of alphabetizing it when I saw the intro. --Calieber 21:11, 21 Oct 2003 (UTC)

By alphabetical order: if you know a person's name, it's probably easier to just look him/her up in List of people by name rather then here. IMHO, it's more interesting to go through the list in (reverse) chronological order, even if there are a few entries, that can't be easily added (e.g. Fidel Castro) - User:Docu

George H. W. Bush?

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I don't think a plot counts as an assassination attempt. If we started listing every plot, the list would get too large quite quickly, ;) I think it should just be limited to actual assassination attempts, meaning a physical action was taken, not just plotting.

I actually didn't know much about this plot. It is not mentioned in the article on Bush's life history. From what I just researched, the circumstancial evidence linking those guys to Bush was a bit tenuous. The US apparently found out 2 weeks after Bush was in Kuwait that the Kuwaitis arrested some guys with explosives. The links to Bush seem to be: the timing of Bush's trip, the bombs were similar to Iraqi ones, and Saddam not liking Bush very much. Incidentally, these were the reasons Clinton launched a bunch of missiles at an Iraqi intelligence building in 93. The fact that we launched missiles in retaliation pushes me back in the other direction that maybe the evidence was stronger than the pages I read indicate. Although US intelligence in that part of the world seems pretty shaky.

I also just read about Ramzi Yousef's plot to kill Bill Clinton. I guess that is another reson to remove Bush from this list. --Danny Rathjens 06:22, 2004 Jun 27 (UTC)

Jean Chrétien

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I removed the reference to Jean Chrétien, no attempt was ever made on his life during the break in by André Dallaire at 24 Sussex.


Fidel Castro? =

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does fidel has a copyright on his name or something? I see no records of attemps on his life while I am sure that there were several actual attemps on his life. also, Charles de Gaulle had been the victim of atempted assassinations six times i think, two of them actuallt taking place but misfired.

Interested to see George W. Bush on this list. Why's that? Don't remember hearing anything about it and upon reading Bush's article and the two for his Presidential terms, I am still none the wiser. Could someone detail the attempt in one of his articles or else remove him from the list.

Last year, Vladimir Arutinian threw a grenade at Bush and Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili in Georgia. —Sesel 19:12, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No sources

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This list has has no sources...can we add some? --HappyCamper 16:29, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Dae Jung

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I think Kim Dae Jung should be added to this list. Anyone else agree? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.112.19.189 (talk) 21:40, 19 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Article format - missing citations or article mentions

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I cleaned things up a bit and re-organized headers. There are a considerable number of uncited entries at the bottom of the page. These were lacking citation or there was no mention in their main wiki articles of any assassination attempts. (There are a couple that were not assassination attempts -jealous husbands -that sort of thing.) If you want to research these and update them, and add back to the list, please do so; keeping the difference between "plot" and actual "attempt" in mind. Regards, GenQuest (talk) 01:37, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Candidates removed from article

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The following removed from article awaiting proper citation.

NOTE: Below are entries (alphabetized) with no citation or documentation in their wiki-article of any assassination attempt:

GenQuest (talk) 14:38, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Format again

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The schema <name> (<date of attempt>) <identification> seems quite unintuitive and non-standard to me. The name of the person and their title or whatever need to go together. And since it's in chronological order, the sorting key - the date - ought to come first and not be in parentheses. -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 21:25, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnicity of would-be assassins

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Why specify the ethnicity of Vladimir Arutyunian? Yes, he was an ethnic Armenians born in Georgia and probably Russified like many Armenians in Georgia. The investigation did not find any connection between his Armenian ethnicity and the assassination attempt. What's the rationale of including his ethnicity in a list where only names of would-be assassins or organizations are to be indicated? For instance, why not specify Ahmed Dogan's Turkish ethnicity? How relevant is it to this list? If the atempt was organized by the ASALA or some other Armenian organization, then yes his Armenian ethnicity would be very relevant, but how is it relevant in Arutyunian's case? --Երևանցի talk 02:04, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 29 May 2014

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Specific Description: Add May Chidiac to the list, and specifically between George W. Bush and Sibghatullah Mojadeddi.

Final outcome: |- | 2005 | September 25 | May Chidiac [1] | Television Journalist and LBC's main television anchors | Beirut, Lebanon | Unknown |Remote controlled car bomb | Amputation of her left arm and leg |- Georgechalhoub (talk) 17:50, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

 Done GenQuest "Talk to Me" 04:57, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Third attack against press in four months HRW

Category

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Should there be a category as well as list? I think it would be helpful when specific targets are named that we are able to find them by profession (politician, journalist, etc.). That's hard to do now in list form. Crtew (talk) 19:21, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Currently there is a category, called "Assassination attempts," but that is not being used much for individuals unless the article includes the word assassination in the title. I think some kind of category could make this information serviceable and work in synergy with this list. Crtew (talk) 19:28, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There was a category like this, but it was deleted (see this discussion). The problem is, per WP:CATDEF, categories should reflect the "defining characteristics" of the article subject, and no-one is primarily notable for surviving an assassination attempt. DoctorKubla (talk) 08:20, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There have been two categories in the last three years to tie in here, both deleted as unhelpful. The earliest was created by me. I won't mess with categories anymore. I was told lists are better and more informative, so I stick with that and leave the category minions to their own devices. GenQuest "Talk to Me" 01:43, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Revert on Henriette Reker attempted assassination

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I noticed that someone tried to remove the "right-wing" from "right-wing extremist", claiming it was a POV edit. It wasn't. It was confirmed and sourced by the German Federal Public Prosecution service that it was a "targeted political assassination", while the North Rhine-Westphalian Office for the Protection of the Constitution has confirmed that the assassin had a history of far-right related violence and was a member of a now-banned Neonazi group. These are confirmed by official sources, but these sources have declined to publish the perpetrator's name, meaning that while he is unnamed to the general public, his profile is known to the relevant authorities. Jamyskis Whisper, Contribs 10:37, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2016

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On June 2, 1981 Clarence Bourque a Constable working a double shift for a small police force in Shediac, New Brunswick was shot 5 times point blank after he was lured out of his police cruiser at 1:30 A.M when someone stepped from behind a telephone pole in the path of his police cruiser. The Assassin who is unknown Shot five times severely wounded case unsolved after 35 years. Reference http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/nb/unsolved-homicides-suspicious-deaths


206.174.183.98 (talk) 17:20, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done - for two reasons:-
  1. We do not have an article on Clarence Bourque
  2. That was attempted murder, not an attempted assassination, as Bourque was not a prominent person, political leader or ruler.
- Arjayay (talk) 07:44, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Things that need to be added

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The 30th Premier of Quebec, Pauline Marois survived in the 2012 Montreal shooting. Richard Henry Bain was the suspect and he was charged with 2-degree-murder. 1 person was killed and 1 injured — Preceding unsigned comment added by UzerNamme (talk • contribs) 02:32, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That was actually an attack on a building, not her. GenQuest "Talk to Me" 09:14, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It is debated wether he wanted to assassinate her. So just create a debated section and put it in there. or say in the notes it was debated — Preceding unsigned comment added by UzerNamme (talk • contribs) 18:35, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Lacks some people

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Is there a particular reason people such as Josip Broz Tito and Yasser Arafat don't appear here? I can totally see the lack of Fidel Castro considering there's way too many to choose from, but any reason the other two I mentioned have no such attempt listed here, despite there being notable attempts on their lives? Alas, same could be said for Kim Il-sung Cinefan Cinefan (talk) 19:50, 22 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 5 March 2021

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. That said, I can see where Connor Behan is coming from, even if it didn't work out here. (non-admin closure) Vaticidalprophet (talk) 03:59, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]


List of people who survived assassination attempts → List of people who survived assassination attempts (general population) – It makes no sense to have one article for heads of state and government and then another which includes everyone else in addition to the same heads of state and government. The kings, queens, presidents and prime ministers who make this list overly long should be removed and then the title should be changed to reflect that. Since I just synchronized the two articles, now is the best time to get this over with. Connor Behan (talk) 01:03, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. Unnecessary. Just remove the heads of state and government from this list and add a prominent link to the other article from this one. "General population" is meaningless as a disambiguator without specifying who is not part of the "general population". -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:59, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Disambiguator isn't needed. Just remove those covered by the other list and add a hatnote explaining that they belong there and not here. Agree that "general population" isn't meaningful. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 10:31, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. "General population" is too vague. I agree with the above suggestion of linking List of heads of state and government who survived assassination attempts from List of people who survived assassination attempts, since heads of state and government are also people, or is it?. ~ Aselestecharge-paritytime 03:49, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Semi-protected edit request on 3 April 2021

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Please remove the 2016 entry for Donald Trump as a WP:BLPCRIME violation against the person responsible for the incident. As multiple discussions at Talk:2016 Donald Trump Las Vegas rally incident confirm, the person was never charged with any kind of assassination attempt, and the article was previously moved from Attempted assassination of Donald Trump for that precise reason. 92.40.189.194 (talk) 14:39, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request

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Please add Imran Khan to the list here. 2600:100C:A206:278D:28D7:3BDB:4C55:FCAD (talk) 06:58, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Aoidh (talk) 16:59, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Accent mark lacking

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Where it says “Andres” it should say “Andrés” please. 86.31.178.164 (talk) 01:54, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You also need a comma

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in “Gregori, the”. 86.31.178.164 (talk) 01:55, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Flags

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Why is the table in this article full of flags? It seems to go against the advice at MOS:FLAGICON and I can't see what benefit they bring? Thryduulf (talk) 15:22, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge heads of state and government list here

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The distinction is, in practice, arbitrary. For examples there are people on both lists e.g. Franklin D. Roosevent (which lists should presidents-elect be on?), Turgut Özal and Juan Guaidó (at the time the disputed president of Venezuela, so which list he should be on is a potential NPOV issue). The Brighton hotel bombing should be on both lists as it was an attempt at assassinating multiple people, only one of whom was the head of state or government, ditto the 2009 attack on the Dutch royal family and there are likely other events in this category too. Additionally, why is an assassination attempt on a prime minister qualitatively different to an assassination attempt on a deputy prime minister or a prime minister-designate, what about a king versus a prince regent? If the length of the combined list would be an issue, then splitting by date would be both more logical and unarguably objective. Thryduulf (talk) 15:49, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: per nom. This is a very confusing system right now. C F A 💬 17:08, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
support this will prevent confusion. Daisytheduck quack quack 04:34, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral but solicit wide feedback. I don't think it falls under WP:CANVAS to ping the people who started the two articles in 2016 and 2017 respectively. And also the three people from the 5 March 2021 request who wanted heads of state to be deleted from this one. Having one big article where the tables are still small (because they go by date) is fine with me. But so is having two articles which have a small number of people in both lists for the cases where doubt exists. Connor Behan (talk) 23:08, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thinking more on this, if the lists are not merged then this one needs to be retitled so it isn't misleading (heads of state and government are also people). Thryduulf (talk) 23:38, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
support Braganza (talk) 16:27, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support . I believe it would help things since it’s very confusing where to include who. JimmyCarterLover1 (talk) 18:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pings to try and get more input: People who have edited with the last 12 months and commented on either talk page and/or made a significant number or size of edits to either article (but who have not commented already): @Aoidh, Arjayay, Borgenland, Crtew, Czar, DJ Clayworth, GenQuest, Grillofrances, HumanBodyPiloter5, JIP, JackofOz, LagartoLagartão, Lancelot, MrsKoma, Mupper-san, Necrothesp, Not Wlwtn, Sesel, Skin from lip, Theasiancowboy, Vaticidalprophet, Whoop whoop pull up, and Yerevantsi:. Thryduulf (talk) 19:05, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose A joined list would be too long. Moreover, IMO there's an essential distinction between an assassination attempt on a head of state/government and remaining people because the first one looks like an attempt to change forcefully the leadership/system. Anyway, I realize that sometimes a person who isn't in such a position, may hold another important role or be likely to start such a role soon. Grillofrances (talk) 20:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The list could be split alphabetically or by date if you're worried length would be an issue. C F A 💬 20:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Splitting by date if the combined list is too long is explicitly part of the proposal. I disagree that the distinction you make is relevant both because that isn't the only reason heads of state/government are targetted (even if it is the most common), heads of state/government aren't the only ones targetted for that reason and whether someone is a head of state/government is not always black and white (e.g. acting presidents, regents, presidents elect, heirs apparent, presidential candidates, disputed governments, etc). There are also single events that target multiple people, not all of whom are heads of state/government. Thryduulf (talk) 21:28, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Grillofrances. And also because it is already difficult to find results for such officeholders in the pre-split era particularly since the list is already exhaustive, even if split by date, and contains possibly some undue entries. Borgenland (talk) 04:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If there are entries that are undue then they should be removed regardless of whether the lists are merged. Thryduulf (talk) 10:27, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did the merge. The tables are formatted differently, so I didn't merge the tables. I did make them formatted more similarly, and I did have to deal with some ref errors and I merged the gallery. If someone else wants to merge the tables they can. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:53, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Eyre Lambert

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Lambert, an Irish landlord, was not the target of an assassination. This was a grievance-motivated attempted killing, without political motive. 2A0D:6FC2:60F0:7200:C045:95AB:3750:F02A (talk) 16:27, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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